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Electric AWD systems, where one or both axles are driven by an independent EV powertrain, are a very new thing in the world of limited traction and off-road driving.
How does it work, why might it be awesome, and ultimately...is it? Let's drive deep into some lonely BLM territory and find out....
 
Electric AWD systems, where one or both axles are driven by an independent EV powertrain, are a very new thing in the world of limited traction and off-road driving.
How does it work, why might it be awesome, and ultimately...is it? Let's drive deep into some lonely BLM territory and find out....
hi, nice video... if you ever need a backup when you go off roading, I would love to do a day trip (I don't have a sleeping tent) and to get more clearance... I have the 255/65r18 tires which have 6.5" of sidewall... (you can do this calculating on : https://tiresize.com/calculator/
And see your different options) these tires rub barely when I backup.

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Have you tried disabling traction/spin control? On our 2010 XC90 I've noticed that with it disabled it ensures constant tire spin which is counter intuitive in how you'd think it interacts with AWD and selective wheel braking. Volvo recommends disabling it in slippery or low traction conditions. In SPA vehicles it's the Sport Mode option. In my experience it's helped in cross axle situations and even let me climb on two diagonally opposed wheels with minimal drama. On our 2017 I've not tried it and in Off-Road I've not had the difficulty you seem to comment about.

BTW, I also just saw your Nov 2019 video about drag speeds and one thought I have about your improved performance when the battery charge is lower is that you may be using the often forgotten 3rd motor (ISG) to provide additional torque/power fill. Not sure if it would explain it as it should be engaging as a generator and creating drag, but if you had enough power it would instead be providing more. I recall having read a technical article that mentioned details from a Volvo powertrain engineer. The article mentioned how the torque fill function and added power was good for a theoretical 46hp and that Volvo didn't include it in it's total spec given it's an on demand delivery. If you do any more runs, perhaps you could have the Driver Performance up on Sensus and see if you notice the ISG engaging during any of your runs to help explain the additional boost. Something else is having a OBDII reader checking the battery voltage. When fully charged it should be delivering 400V and at 25% significantly less (not sure how much) and that could be driving the computer to engage the ISG for supplemental fill significantly offsetting the lower battery power.

Plus they didn't want to call the T8 a "tri-engine". It also somewhat jokingly mentioned how if they had they didn't want it to be compared to the Ford Tri-Motor. Made me laugh since early in the XC90 T8 forum there was a whole "Twin Engine Gate" thread where people were raising pitchforks insisting Volvo was crazy mad for calling the powertrain TwinEngine.

Found the article that I was recalling: https://www.sae.org/news/2016/02/volvos-new-plug-in-xc90-is-really-a-tri-motor
 
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hi, nice video... if you ever need a backup when you go off roading, I would love to do a day trip (I don't have a sleeping tent) and to get more clearance... I have the 255/65r18 tires which have 6.5" of sidewall... (you can do this calculating on : https://tiresize.com/calculator/
And see your different options) these tires rub barely when I backup.
Wow 31" tires there, good to know!! My 255/55-18s are 29" so basically same as OEM, and I've been thinking of upgrading to 265/60/18 (30.5") as there are a slew of OR tire options in that size, great to know it should fit.
 
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Have you tried disabling traction/spin control? On our 2010 XC90 I've noticed that with it disabled it ensures constant tire spin which is counter intuitive in how you'd think it interacts with AWD and selective wheel braking. Volvo recommends disabling it in slippery or low traction conditions. In SPA vehicles it's the Sport Mode option. In my experience it's helped in cross axle situations and even let me climb on two diagonally opposed wheels with minimal drama. On our 2017 I've not tried it and in Off-Road I've not had the difficulty you seem to comment about.
Didn't take time to try that no, but if it's related to 'sport' mode which is the lowest suspension setting for the air ride, that would of course dramatically change things all by itself. I wish there was a *fully* manual mode where you can point and click to choose ride height (for each axle!) and other parameters like traction control and stuff...
 
Didn't take time to try that no, but if it's related to 'sport' mode which is the lowest suspension setting for the air ride, that would of course dramatically change things all by itself. I wish there was a *fully* manual mode where you can point and click to choose ride height (for each axle!) and other parameters like traction control and stuff...
ESC Sport Mode is independent of drive modes - it's on the first Sensus page (one with all of the electronic counter measure buttons). I've not had need to try it; even in cross axle situations our T8 has handled them extremely well. Our 2010 recently got stuck in one and I took over from my wife, turned spin control off and it pulled through easily after that. I was in pursuit in our 2017 it made it through easily in Off-Road mode (suspension was likely an advantage in spite of having lame road tires, still riding our stock Pirelli - can't wait to wear them out and put some ? kickers).

I've thought the same thing about suspension modes, it'd be cool to be able to control suspension independently but I do see why they don't allow it. Would be kind of dangerous to be on stilts while driving at highway speeds. I expect with fully electric power trains it'll get to the point where electric "lockers" will be the norm especially with cars that have motors at each wheel. No need to simulate them with brake holding.
 
Definitely rules! Yesterday we went up high looking for some great rides and cleared sections even diehard jeepers hadn't tempted yet - making our own fresh tracks in summer :) and reminded me of this post. This one was easily 15% climb over hard crusty more than 12" deep in parts and the start of the climb over the white stuff was cross axle. Last few days we've encountered other paths with steep cross axle climbs and they were pretty easy to tackle with proper placement.
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Air suspension was great at giving all the clearance needed. Our T8 isn't afraid to power all 4 wheels to push through in spite of being the stock AS Pirelli Scorpions.
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Have you tried disabling traction/spin control? On our 2010 XC90 I've noticed that with it disabled it ensures constant tire spin which is counter intuitive in how you'd think it interacts with AWD and selective wheel braking. Volvo recommends disabling it in slippery or low traction conditions. In SPA vehicles it's the Sport Mode option. In my experience it's helped in cross axle situations and even let me climb on two diagonally opposed wheels with minimal drama. On our 2017 I've not tried it and in Off-Road I've not had the difficulty you seem to comment about.

BTW, I also just saw your Nov 2019 video about drag speeds and one thought I have about your improved performance when the battery charge is lower is that you may be using the often forgotten 3rd motor (ISG) to provide additional torque/power fill. Not sure if it would explain it as it should be engaging as a generator and creating drag, but if you had enough power it would instead be providing more. I recall having read a technical article that mentioned details from a Volvo powertrain engineer. The article mentioned how the torque fill function and added power was good for a theoretical 46hp and that Volvo didn't include it in it's total spec given it's an on demand delivery. If you do any more runs, perhaps you could have the Driver Performance up on Sensus and see if you notice the ISG engaging during any of your runs to help explain the additional boost. Something else is having a OBDII reader checking the battery voltage. When fully charged it should be delivering 400V and at 25% significantly less (not sure how much) and that could be driving the computer to engage the ISG for supplemental fill significantly offsetting the lower battery power.

Plus they didn't want to call the T8 a "tri-engine". It also somewhat jokingly mentioned how if they had they didn't want it to be compared to the Ford Tri-Motor. Made me laugh since early in the XC90 T8 forum there was a whole "Twin Engine Gate" thread where people were raising pitchforks insisting Volvo was crazy mad for calling the powertrain TwinEngine.

Found the article that I was recalling: https://www.sae.org/news/2016/02/volvos-new-plug-in-xc90-is-really-a-tri-motor
As there is no "thank you" button, let me just say...thank you! This is really valuable information.
 
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