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I am looking at converting my S40 T5 from the stock airbox and panel filter to the Focus RS/Volvo P1 diesel airbox with cylindrical filter as described in two good threads by Blanca and CentaX over on C30crew. I have an Airtec upper inlet plenum that I've wanted to install for a couple of years but it doesn't work with the stock airbox (despite what they told me when I ordered it!) so I've been looking at alternatives ranging from open cone filter to Spectre inline airboxes to the Focus RS airbox. I've settled on the Focus RS airbox because I like the OEM look (and in fact, it is OEM for diesel S40's) and the fact I can pick one up in a wrecking yard because they still used the same basic airbox on 2013 and later Focuses and Escapes. I'll document the changeover once I do it since I plan a few changes from the C30crew examples.

Anyway, on to the point of this post. I was looking for flow data to compare the OEM panel type filter for a stock S40 T5 with the seemingly much larger OEM cylindrical filter of the Focus. Our OEM filters is about 9"x8" and the Focus filter is 6.25" in diameter and 8.25" long. I can't find flow info on the OEM filters so I went to the K&N website just so I could compare filters with the same media to each other. Of course, they don't have data for the panel filter that fits our cars but they do have data for one that is close in thickness and in surface area, the 33-2042 (ours is 33-2873) and uses the same amount of oil to re-oil it (32 ml) so it should give similar results. The Focus filter is E-2993 (uses 56 ml to re-oil, so seemingly a much bigger filter) and they do, in fact have data for it. The most directly comparable data for these two filters is the airflow at 1.5 inH2O pressure - they describe it as the "amount of airflow before the air filter creates restriction of more than 1.5 inches of water pressure" - and the panel filter achieves 498.9 cfm while the cylindrical achieves 181.6 cfm. Both say tests were conducted in OE airboxes - the panel filter is used in a bunch of GM products with engines ranging from I4's to V8's so I don't know what the airbox looks like for that filter. These results leave me quite confused since I would think the bigger filter would be more free flowing and achieve a higher cfm at the same pressure drop. Am I missing something here? I saw similar numbers for other Focus replacement filters so I don't think it is an anomaly for the K&N test. They also provided restriction vs particle load data but they were done at different constant airflow rates so they are hard to compare directly. What I'd really like to see is restriction vs cfm data over the cfm range of interest for our cars but I don't think I'll find anything close to that.

Just to confuse the situation a little more, in my research on the subject I came across an academic paper that compared the same style K&N filter with an OE filter and found the K&N filter to be more restrictive but provide better mileage and acceleration. So maybe less restrictive isn't better?

Any thoughts on this issue? Thanks!
 
If i remember there was a thread from way back when that compared open filters to the OEM air box and from what i remember, the OEM air box is much more efficient in regards to temps as a true CAI. But as far as flow goes, i dont think it makes a difference once it hits the rest of the plumbing - charge pipe, IC, throttle -

EngTech should appear with math soon...:saber:
 
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Yes, I've read countless threads here and on other forums that debate the merits of the OEM airbox versus open filters and I want to stick with a closed airbox system but I can't keep the current one if I want to use the new plenum. That's what I like about the Focus/Volvo diesel airbox - it keeps a cold air intake from in front of the radiator and just moves the airbox to the side of the engine bay. I figured since it also uses a much larger cylindrical filter I'd get the flow improvements of an open cone filter without the louder intake sound. I'm still going to install the new airbox - if it's good enough for the 300+ HP RS's it should be good enough for a slightly modified T5 - but the disparity in the flow numbers presented really bother me. Is the panel filter really almost three times less restrictive? I'm sure it's not but it would be nice to have someone with more knowledge than me tell me so!
 
check out do-88 website. they recently introduced a revised airbox for S40/V50 vehicles. if i didnt alreadyhave 90% of all the pieces for a real CAI, i would have ordered it. cost as I remember was reasonable.
 
I would also recommend looking into making a polestar style CAI, myself and another member are using an enclosed cone filter ($15) and some 3" tubing to keep a true CAI, will take some cutting but otherwise very simple to do.
 
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I'm intrigued by the do88 airbox but suspicious of the power gains claimed - 21 HP and 60 Nm torque from an airbox change? The panel filter looks marginally larger and they've moved the ECU out side the air path but that's a heck of a gain. I'd like to see independent verification or hear from someone who has tried it.

I've also looked at the Polestar style CAI in the posts here but it's hard to see how any cone filter that would fit in that setup would be better than the huge cylindrical filter in the RS airbox. The RS airbox is still a CAI with a snorkel that takes cold air from in front of the radiator like the OEM setup.

Anyway, I appreciate the input and suggestions but getting a little off track. I wrote to technical support at K&N to get clarification about the differences in flow measurements between panel and cone/cylindrical filters but I haven't heard back from them.
 
That's interesting. So the shape of the unit is designed to have even flow across the entire panel (which looks to be 2x stock surface area), and take advantage of all the surface area while allowing even pressure to be maintained across the entire surface.

So I would be suspect as well, however if that MUCH of a temperature difference is the reason, it would make sense to a reasonable degree. That pipe routing looks to be the key if you can make it a real CAI.
 
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I overlooked the stated air temperature reduction but it still doesn't make that much sense to me given much of what has been presented on this forum about the OEM and aftermarket intakes. The do88 airbox has two feeds with the 3" feed attached directly to the OEM snorkel and another 2 1/4" feed through a tube positioned down by the left fog light. I don't think the air by the fog light is significantly colder than where the OEM snorkel intakes air, plus the airbox is still sandwiched between the hot motor and the radiator like the OEM airbox so it's again hard to see how the air temperatures are that much lower than OEM.

Also, in looking at the data presented, they give four measurements of the air temperature right after the MAF in the intake pipe and only one measurement of IAT from the sensor at the outlet from the intercooler. The difference between the post-MAF temperature and the IAT temperature is 16, 18, and 17 C for do88, OEM, and open cone filter respectively at the end of a 50-150 km/h acceleration run. There is no mention of the intercooler on the test vehicle so I think we can assume it was OEM. Much of the discussion on this forum about intake systems focuses on the effects of having a decent intercooler and how it should even out IAT temperatures especially at speed, and given this I wonder how much of the apparent HP and torque gains are due to using the undersized OEM intercooler. Heck - they're do88, shouldn't they put one of their own intercoolers on for testing?

The RS airbox sits to the side of the motor between the battery and the headlight and takes air in from behind the grill so it seems ideal for a CAI. One modification I've seen is to make another inlet hole in the bottom of the airbox and run a tube to the fog light area much like the do88 airbox and thus should put it at least on par with that airbox in terms of cold air inlets. The RS airbox mod is very popular on MK2 Focus ST's so I'm going to go search on some of those for pertinent info and experiences and report back here. It'll be interesting to see if some of them are using the new do88 airbox on their ST's.
 
I overlooked the stated air temperature reduction but it still doesn't make that much sense to me given much of what has been presented on this forum about the OEM and aftermarket intakes. The do88 airbox has two feeds with the 3" feed attached directly to the OEM snorkel and another 2 1/4" feed through a tube positioned down by the left fog light. I don't think the air by the fog light is significantly colder than where the OEM snorkel intakes air, plus the airbox is still sandwiched between the hot motor and the radiator like the OEM airbox so it's again hard to see how the air temperatures are that much lower than OEM.

Also, in looking at the data presented, they give four measurements of the air temperature right after the MAF in the intake pipe and only one measurement of IAT from the sensor at the outlet from the intercooler. The difference between the post-MAF temperature and the IAT temperature is 16, 18, and 17 C for do88, OEM, and open cone filter respectively at the end of a 50-150 km/h acceleration run. There is no mention of the intercooler on the test vehicle so I think we can assume it was OEM. Much of the discussion on this forum about intake systems focuses on the effects of having a decent intercooler and how it should even out IAT temperatures especially at speed, and given this I wonder how much of the apparent HP and torque gains are due to using the undersized OEM intercooler. Heck - they're do88, shouldn't they put one of their own intercoolers on for testing?

The RS airbox sits to the side of the motor between the battery and the headlight and takes air in from behind the grill so it seems ideal for a CAI. One modification I've seen is to make another inlet hole in the bottom of the airbox and run a tube to the fog light area much like the do88 airbox and thus should put it at least on par with that airbox in terms of cold air inlets. The RS airbox mod is very popular on MK2 Focus ST's so I'm going to go search on some of those for pertinent info and experiences and report back here. It'll be interesting to see if some of them are using the new do88 airbox on their ST's.
I am honestly concerned about that filter element. It looks to me if you look at the photos it is only that piece of mesh filter which looks like MERV 0 grade Latex foam. I.E. doesn't block a ton or stop a ton from getting into the engine. Another photo shows it to be about 1" thick with a polyurethane or silicone seal around it. Unless the other side is a paper/washable double triple layer cotton element, I'd be concerned about 1" of that grade of foam to be honest.
 
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Well, I'm moving forward with the Focus airbox. I picked one up at a wrecking yard for $10 with the required battery bracket (and a pretty new looking filter!) The stock filter outlet is just 2.75" so I'm looking for a suitable replacement with a larger outlet - perhaps 3.5 - 4.0" - that still utilizes all of the space in the airbox. Leaning toward an AEM dry flow universal clamp on cylindrical filter that's 5.81" diameter and 7.25" long. I'll start a new thread on the installation once I get started.
 
I dont know if it helps but here are my finds.

Stock panel filter to K&N panel filter - No real power difference day to day

K&N panel filter to Cone - No real power difference day to day

Absolutly love the noise after installing the cone, some real nice and loud chatter and flutter after installing.
 
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That's one of the cool things about the Focus airbox. Several aftermarket filter makers (K&N, Green, Mountune) make open ended filters for this airbox so you can get noise if you want it. They even provide a cap so you can run with the end open or closed. Some people run without the airbox lid to make even more noise and you can also get lids similar to the current RS lid that has a cutout in it. So you can almost tune the amount of intake noise you want while still having the option of a completely closed CAI system if you want that at other times.
 
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