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I wanted to start a discussion to see how the T8 is really working out for people and give them a chance to describe the conditions around that. I know when researching a plug-in hybrid you would see reviews seemingly on extreme opposite ends on mileage and capability. As I've talked to a few people there are so many factors that play into how well the T8 would work for "you" I thought it might be nice for everyone to describe their conditions and results. Maybe that will help somebody make a more informed choice. I did learn - at least for me - the 18-20 mile range is actually way more useful than that to me in everyday driving.

First off - I am in Colorado Springs, CO. I live at an altitude are 6500ft above sea level and most of my driving is on fairly hilly terrain. This would include winter driving and driving in snow in the winter (when we get any). My daily commute is 26 miles round trip. If I drive just to and from work I average around 60mpg. I primarily drive in hybrid mode for the entire commute. Usually about half the way home my battery is "empty" although I will regen on the hills so some of my starts from lights are under a little bit of battery power. The commute itself is a little odd - traffic lights but most of the drive is at about 55mph, with top speeds at 70+. This isn't really highway driving as there are traffic lights along the route - so stopping and starting too. About the last half mile of my drive I will switch over to pure and have enough electricity to complete the drive home without any gas. The car will report I used less than .1 gallon on each part of the commute. My commute home I sometimes regent almost half of what I used as I come down in altitude a little bit even though there are still some up-hill segments. My final part of my drive is about 2 miles mostly up-hill.

If I have extra stops or errands on a work day I can pull my mileage down as low as 50mpg.

A couple of 2 or 3 hour drives pushed me into the low 40s.

The weekend errands are usually done entirely in pure mode. My car reports a lifetime average of 50mpg right now.

I am NOT a hyper miler - I don't use full power very often but I do like keeping up with the other traffic, and I use the power to pass and pull a way. Not drag racing but not trying to maximize mileage in any way either.

I estimate I am using $1 a day in electricity, and am spending $30-$35 a month on gas.

For comparison I had a T5 loaner while my car was in the shop - over those 3 days I averaged 23mpg on this same commute. Now - winter driving hits the mpg pretty hard and I saw it drop into the 40 mpg range depending on how much AWD was used in the snow/how cold it was outside. I will get more details this winter. The car was brand new to me in February so I was still kinda learning how to get the most out of it and I think I can do better this winter.

Here's a link to my fuelly page: http://www.fuelly.com/car/volvo/xc60/2018/giarmdok/760313
 
Comparing actual MPG is quite hard as it really all depends on your travel pattern.

My data point: wife commutes about 20 miles around trip a day. So daily driven miles varies around 1x to 3x miles. It uses some fuel some times. Charged at night. Refill fuel about once a month.
Car shows 48MPG to 51MPG. On long trips without charging it is about 28MPG.

Totally happy with it. T8 is perfect if your commute is within the battery range.
 
If your electricity is $0.11/kWhr, you can expect to spend 4 Cents per mile on electric.

If gas is $2.80/gal for premium, and you get 28mpg, expect to spend 10 cents per mile on gas (AT BEST). More realistically, if gas is $3.00/gal for premium, and you get 25mpg, expect to spend 12 cents per mile on gas.

My XC60 is a T8, and my commute is slightly over 6 miles one way, of which about 2 miles are highway, 4 miles are ~40mph with regular stoplights. I usually go home for lunch and get ~30-40 mins charging. Most days, I can make it to work, home and back for lunch, and home again without ever having the gas engine turn on. That's about a 25 mile trip on about 1.2 charges. So that's 6200 miles per year that I've saved 8 cents per mile, or $500 - just on my daily commute. Between grocery runs and other errands, trips to the park with my dogs on weekends, and hanging out with friends around town, I drive quite a bit more on pure electric. If we call it 50 miles, that means annually the T8 saves me $725. After the tax credit, the price increase for the T8 on the Inscription was $2990, which means the T8 will pay for itself in 4.1 years. The battery is under warranty for 8 years, which means if I sell the car after 8 years, I'll have profited nearly $3,000. That's 8 years which I can be a smug asshole about the environment and emissions, can have a 400hp vehicle that does 0-60 in under 5 seconds whenever I want it to, and got to try out new tech. Pretty good deal to get paid for all that.

Edit: and yes I know that some people pay more for electricity. I've found that in those places gas is usually also more expensive. Where I live electricity is very close to the national average, but gas is INCREDIBLY cheap, and the T8 STILL pays for itself. Also, if you have a longer commute, things might work out a bit differently for you. For me, I only fill up on gas before I plan to go out of town, which is about every month or so. Even then I'm usually only filling up about 1/4 tank. I reset my average fuel economy any time I take a big trip, but when driving around town it always reads 150mpg (that's where it maxes out).

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Around home my driving is very variable (I'm retired, so no regular commute), and I see anywhere from 50 to 70 mpg.

When the car was pretty new, I went on a very long road trip of over 7,500 miles from the Midwest out to the PNW and back, spending several weeks in Oregon and Washington. On that trip, which had almost no charging, I averaged just under 29 mpg.

I like to look at it the same way as amd2800barton: A gasoline mile generally costs me around 12 cents and an electric mile around 5 cents. But the bottom line is that I love the car.
 
Seeing this makes me regret some not getting a T8. A lot really. It would have been ideal for my situation. In San Francisco I probably only drive 20-25 miles a day all within the city. Because I spend so much time in traffic and stop lights and stop signs almost every block my average speed often shows as about 12-15mph. Per the trip computer which I reset every tank I’m getting 11-13mpg in this environment. I have a T6. Premium gas here is $3.99 - $4.20 a gallon generally. I get very little range out of a tank. Def doing T8 next time or turning in early on the lease to trade up.
 
It's not just the mpg. It's a world of difference in instant torque when needed. It's a pretty fast car compared to the T6.
 
Combined with the fed tax credit, state tax rebate I'm expecting soon, and that my wife can charge for free at work, the T8 was a no brainer for us. I figure the small cost difference after the tax advantages will be made up by the free commute my wife now enjoys in less than 2 years. After that it starts getting cheaper than the T6.

In the meantime we get all the advantages. Instant torque, no stop/start problems, ultimate sleeper grocery getter.
 
I'm also retired so a long commute is no longer an issue. I find that the T8 suits my driving pattern perfectly. I chose the T8 because we do take road trips 4 to 5 times a year, but during the remaining time travel is mostly local. I'm finding that I need to fill up about every 2 months, so my per tank mpg is getting close to 200. On a recent road trip through Utah and Idaho we averaged a little over 27 mpg with quite a bit of 85 mph driving. During the last road trip we kept the car on hybrid and there was no opportunity to charge the car.

Our driving pattern would be considered hard on the car with many "trips" of a mile or less. It did take us a bit of time to learn how to keep the car from switching to ICE. Even after almost 9K miles I sometimes find that the ICE is running and I have no idea as to what I did to trigger it. I've never figured cost per mile, but I do live in an area of $4 gas and 20 cent electricity.
 
I'm also retired so a long commute is no longer an issue. I find that the T8 suits my driving pattern perfectly. I chose the T8 because we do take road trips 4 to 5 times a year, but during the remaining time travel is mostly local. I'm finding that I need to fill up about every 2 months, so my per tank mpg is getting close to 200. On a recent road trip through Utah and Idaho we averaged a little over 27 mpg with quite a bit of 85 mph driving. During the last road trip we kept the car on hybrid and there was no opportunity to charge the car.

Our driving pattern would be considered hard on the car with many "trips" of a mile or less. It did take us a bit of time to learn how to keep the car from switching to ICE. Even after almost 9K miles I sometimes find that the ICE is running and I have no idea as to what I did to trigger it. I've never figured cost per mile, but I do live in an area of $4 gas and 20 cent electricity.
Suppose I'm lucky with $3 gas and .08 electric
 
I do live in an area of $4 gas and 20 cent electricity.
Double "ouch". Currently, $3/gal for premium (top tier) and $0.08/kWh (middle tier rate) in Austin.

On sunny days, our 10kW solar array provides most of the recharge power, so it's hard to get much "cleaner", except for maybe Norway.

As an aside, I work for a silicon valley company, but I couldn't stomach those costs (including housing) on a regular basis...call me frugal. :beer:
 
Seeing this makes me regret some not getting a T8. A lot really. It would have been ideal for my situation. In San Francisco I probably only drive 20-25 miles a day all within the city. Because I spend so much time in traffic and stop lights and stop signs almost every block my average speed often shows as about 12-15mph. Per the trip computer which I reset every tank I'm getting 11-13mpg in this environment. I have a T6. Premium gas here is $3.99 - $4.20 a gallon generally. I get very little range out of a tank. Def doing T8 next time or turning in early on the lease to trade up.
T8 is great for your commute pattern. I feel so easy now when stuck in traffic because the car is simply quiet and not burning anything.
 
T8 is great for your commute pattern. I feel so easy now when stuck in traffic because the car is simply quiet and not burning anything.
Yeah...today was especially painful..I filled up this morning. Drove about 30 miles in city today. I'm already down a bit more than an 1/8th of a tank per the fuel gauge...though I don't know how accurate it is.
 
Double "ouch". Currently, $3/gal for premium (top tier) and $0.08/kWh (middle tier rate) in Austin.

On sunny days, our 10kW solar array provides most of the recharge power, so it's hard to get much "cleaner", except for maybe Norway.

As an aside, I work for a silicon valley company, but I couldn't stomach those costs (including housing) on a regular basis...call me frugal. :beer:
Lamarguy, I'm trying to compare apples to apples on electricity rates. Your rate in Austin looks great at $.08 kWh. Does your utility charge anything for delivery and local taxes per kWh? I live in Massachusetts and our electric bill has 2 sections. One for the actual costs per kWh and one for delivery services per kWh. See details below from one of my bills.

Electricity Supply Rate 0.10995 x 819 kWh $90.05

Residential Regular R-1 Delivery Rates
Customer Charge 5.50
Dist Chg 0.06236 x 819 kWh 51.07
Transition Charge 0.00054 x 819 kWh 0.44
Transmission Charge 0.03056 x 819 kWh 25.03
Energy Efficiency Chg 0.02083 x 819 kWh 17.06
Renewable Energy Chg 0.0005 x 819 kWh 0.41
Total Delivery Services $ 99.51

Total Bill $189.56

Electric Delivery Rate: $0.122 kWh
Electricity Supply Rate: $0.101 kWh
Total Electric Rate $0.233 kWh

Our electricity delivery rate is actually more than our electricity supply rate. It looks like your rate is half what I pay here. That is a significant regional difference.
 
It's unfortunate that the T8 has 5-6 fewer gallons capacity in its gas tank than the T6 version of the XC60. That makes me shrink away from the T8 and look at other brands if I want a plug-in hybrid. If I were to go for the T6, however, 18.5 gallons is fine for a gas-tank capacity.
 
It's unfortunate that the T8 has 5-6 fewer gallons capacity in its gas tank than the T6 version of the XC60. That makes me shrink away from the T8 and look at other brands if I want a plug-in hybrid. If I were to go for the T6, however, 18.5 gallons is fine for a gas-tank capacity.
MY2019 now has the larger tank!
 
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