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Typical life of rear brake pads...

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#1 ·
Does anyone know how long the rear brake pads should last? Just took my car in for my 2nd year service @ 16k miles and was suggested by the dealer that the rear brake pads are running low. Had a RX350 and X3 prior to the XC90, drove them the same and never had to change the pads within the first 3 years.
 
#3 ·
That's a bit soon...

My V60 wagon is almost 4 years old with 55000miles on it and last service a few weeks ago, they said the rear pads need to be changed, 16K seems a bit low.

I asked the tech why within 4 years, and he explained that the rear pads a bit smaller and that volvos are heavy.... but who knows... I mean I do have adaptive braking/cruise control on the wagon as well.
 
#4 ·
My 2016 had this issue at 18K. Was covered under the exclusionary policy I purchased.


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#5 ·
I came across this recently. At my 20k service, my rear brakes were dangerously low. (The fronts had already been replaced for a different problem.)

They told me that I should check/replace them every 15k. The reasoning I was given was that these are “luxury brake pads”. Meaning that they are softer so that they don’t make as much noise. I also learned that they don’t have the brake wear indicator because they don’t want to gouge the rotors.

I don’t know if that was a line of BS or not.

Makes me glad I got the wear and tear coverage with the factory scheduled maintenance. I’ll be letting Volvo replace the brake pads as often as they want. I’ll probably sell the car at 7 years when I have to start paying for maintenance again.


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#8 · (Edited)
I came across this recently. At my 20k service, my rear brakes were dangerously low. (The fronts had already been replaced for a different problem.)

They told me that I should check/replace them every 15k. The reasoning I was given was that these are "luxury brake pads". Meaning that they are softer so that they don't make as much noise. I also learned that they don't have the brake wear indicator because they don't want to gouge the rotors.

I don't know if that was a line of BS or not.

Makes me glad I got the wear and tear coverage with the factory scheduled maintenance. I'll be letting Volvo replace the brake pads as often as they want. I'll probably sell the car at 7 years when I have to start paying for maintenance again.

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I was told that the wear and tear program only covers a single set of rotors and pads (or 2 sets with the 7 year program). Are there multiple programs?
 
#7 ·
The experience at my shop (Volvo dealer in USA) is SPA XC90's will need rear brake pads in the 20k - 30k mileage range. Don't know why.

Normally, we recommend brake pad replacement at 3mm or less but the SPA XC90 appetite for rear pads (and 10k mile service interval) have us recommending rear pads at 5mm.
 
#44 ·
Is this a function of the Autostop/brake hold or does that use the parking/ebrake?
 
#17 · (Edited)
I'm curious to know as well considering RBS generally reduces brake pad wear. Separately, I've already had all of my brake pads replaced with under 7500 miles due to squealing. But I attribute this to defects rather than expected life.

As a point of comparison, my Chrysler Aspen Hybrid which I traded in for the XC90 never needed its brake pads replaced. They had over 80,000 miles.
 
#14 ·
My XC90 needed rear pads at the 20k mile service and front pads at the 30k mile service. both seem very early to me but especially the rear. If this is going to be the norm, I hope Volvo increases the size of the pads somehow to extend the life of them because this is very disappointing. The XC90 does brake very evenly (from front to rear) unlike cars of the past, so I can understand the extra braking on the rear. But if that's the case, Volvo should increase the size of the rear braking system to compensate for the extra load.
 
#15 ·
Same here, rear pads needed replacement at 19,500 miles. Way too soon vs all the other cars that I had/have. But braking is even and effective so no complaints there. You have to change them anyways someday ... why not help Volvo a little bit sooner :p

I'm expecting to change the front pads at 30k. If that is all that I have to pay for a 36 months lease would be nice..aka tires !

Happy Driving
 
#18 ·
23k and went metal to metal on rear brake pads/rotors

Grinding noise could only mean brake pad was seriously worn, but seemed so early, I was in self denial. Cursory inspection revealed uneven rotor wear on inside of rotor and a thin piece of pad. Researched what was going on. Adaptive cruise uses the electronic parking brake to slow down, automatic parking at stops uses the electronic parking brake, fast front dive stops has the computer kick in the electronic parking brake slightly early to level out the car. I drive 100 miles a day on a commute with 26k in one year. I drive the Washington DC metro area and the frequency of near misses and detected quick stops is a multi occurring event daily. I always use the adaptive cruise control and the automatic parking brake. I am replacing the rotors and pads myself. After three services and delivery experiences with my dealer which left me disappointed in the quality of work, I was not going to let them mess with my brakes. The brake hardware is impressive, my first Volvo. So, I will have to inspect and regularly change out rear pads more often. By the way dealer wanted $749 to do rotors and pads in rear. No service manuals of course, so it has been tough going. If anyone has experience with torque specs on brake caliper bracket bolts, let me know. I am doing 170 ft/lbs plus 60 degree turn. I had to ask Popeye to come take them off.
 
#20 ·
Grinding noise could only mean brake pad was seriously worn, but seemed so early, I was in self denial. Cursory inspection revealed uneven rotor wear on inside of rotor and a thin piece of pad. Researched what was going on. Adaptive cruise uses the electronic parking brake to slow down, automatic parking at stops uses the electronic parking brake, fast front dive stops has the computer kick in the electronic parking brake slightly early to level out the car. I drive 100 miles a day on a commute with 26k in one year. I drive the Washington DC metro area and the frequency of near misses and detected quick stops is a multi occurring event daily. I always use the adaptive cruise control and the automatic parking brake. I am replacing the rotors and pads myself. After three services and delivery experiences with my dealer which left me disappointed in the quality of work, I was not going to let them mess with my brakes. The brake hardware is impressive, my first Volvo. So, I will have to inspect and regularly change out rear pads more often. By the way dealer wanted $749 to do rotors and pads in rear. No service manuals of course, so it has been tough going. If anyone has experience with torque specs on brake caliper bracket bolts, let me know. I am doing 170 ft/lbs plus 60 degree turn. I had to ask Popeye to come take them off.
I generally like to do brakes myself as well. Aside from torque specs, are you finding the process of changing them to be different than most others? Is the parking brake not a separate drum mechanism? And why on Earth would they use the parking brake for ACC instead of the main brakes?
 
#26 ·
I have been a subscriber to the Volvo Tech Info for last three years. Legit, yes. Why redirected to a third party? Don’t know, but it is not uncommon.
 
#27 ·
I have been a subscriber to the Volvo Tech Info for last three years. Legit, yes. Why redirected to a third party? Don't know, but it is not uncommon.
I also have a subscription to Audi's ERWIN system and they run the website.

My ETKA subscription was through them too

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#29 ·
Rear pads ARE wearing very quickly on the SPA XC90 and my guess is that it is the electronic parking brake. It is ALWAYS the rear inboard pad (against the caliper piston) that is wearing down so quickly which somewhat verifies my hypothesis.

Most times (under 30k) we goodwill warranty the brake pads as it is a bit extreme to be doing them around the 20k mark.
 
#30 ·
Rear pads ARE wearing very quickly on the SPA XC90 and my guess is that it is the electronic parking brake. It is ALWAYS the rear inboard pad (against the caliper piston) that is wearing down so quickly which somewhat verifies my hypothesis.

Most times (under 30k) we goodwill warranty the brake pads as it is a bit extreme to be doing them around the 20k mark.
That probably explains why I wasn't charged for my rear pads even though it was at 30k service. I thought it odd at the time, but didn't question it.
 
#34 ·
DONT DO IT!!!!

I cant begin to explain the noises and vibrations i see on a weekly basis from people using aftermarket pads/rotors. I am sure there are decent pads out there but it seems most of the cars I see tried to save a buck and then come back to the dealer complaining.
 
#35 ·
Gunshow, that's why I'm asking. Hoping that some of the knowledgeable techs here could give the rest of us a heads-up on what things to avoid or not. It appears to me that TRW makes some of the parts for Volvo (I've seen their name on some of the brake calipers, at the very least). Do they or anyone else make higher-end pads that might last longer? Not to say that Volvo is trying to make pads that don't have very good longevity, but obviously their dealers make most of their money from service and.... well, you can do the math. If TRW, or some other maker, make high quality pads that might cost a bit more but last longer, I'd certainly be interested. If they don't then they don't - but I figured it would be worth the ask.
 
#37 ·
Me too on Akebono. Using their ceramics on my convertible. They have a good progressive feel, strong bite yet have not warped my rotors or anything like that. Very pleased. It will be some time before I need brakes done on the XC90T8 but I will be happy to use Akebono on my other cars.
 
#38 ·
Just be sure if you change / upgrade the pads yourself that you lubricate the backs of the pads with plenty of grease. I use 3M Silicone paste, and never get a squeak on other cars. Get a proper can of it, and use it liberally. I think a lot of DIY brake jobs just use the tiny ketchup-packet sized off-brand shmoo that comes with pads at Autozone. It's never enough, and that gunk is so cheap you'd probably be better off using lard. Proper silicone paste will continue to lubricate even at high temperatures and very dusty conditions, so it's important to get the good stuff.
 
#40 ·
For the record, you don’t need VIDA or a stupid EPB service “tool” to change the rear pads. I did my rear pads around 22k. Very simple, all you have to do is screw the piston back into the caliper. I made my own tool to do this, or you can buy one at PepGirls for like $15.00.
 
#41 ·
For the record, you don't need VIDA or a stupid EPB service "tool" to change the rear pads. I did my rear pads around 22k. Very simple, all you have to do is screw the piston back into the caliper. I made my own tool to do this, or you can buy one at PepGirls for like $15.00.
Ah, thanks.