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#21 · (Edited)
phillipu said:
I was very excited about the Model X and had it on reservation pretty early on. When I finally went to a showroom to check it out, I was disappointed. They really shouldn't call it an SUV. It's a crossover. The sloped roofline and lack of folding second row really take the "utility" out of it in my opinion. But it is fast.
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Had a closer look at one today and I agree, it is not really SUV. Ground clearance? Can that thing even go off-road?
Don't get me wrong. It is nice car, but I don't' think it is fair to compare it with XC90 and even less with Range Rover. Mentioning RR because of the price range. And when we are talking about $$, for that kind of coin you get that interior?!?! :eek:

I have been thinking a lot lately about the future of electric cars and I'm not convinced that battery based cars is the way. I'm thinking, yes to electric motors, but there needs to be innovation on how you generate the electricity on demand. Sitting on that much current? Not sure if that is good for your DNA..

Put it this way. Electric cars have been subsidised for years. If the technology doesn't make them cost effective soon, to me it signals that it is the wrong way to go. This reminds me of the car industry in Australia wasting tex payers money for years.

There are better ways to save the environment, right? Just eat less steak!
 
#22 ·
goce said:
I have been thinking a lot lately about the future of electric cars and I'm not convinced that battery based cars is the way. I'm thinking, yes to electric motors, but there needs to be innovation on how you generate the electricity on demand. Sitting on that much current? Not sure if that is good for your DNA..

Put it this way. Electric cars have been subsidised for years. If the technology doesn't make them cost effective soon, to me it signals that it is the wrong way to go. This reminds me of the car industry in Australia wasting tex payers money for years.

There are better ways to save the environment, right? Just eat less steak!
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There have been a number of approaches to electric propulsion vehicles. Fuel cells, flywheels, capacitors, etc. have and are all being tried as alternatives to batteries. In then end, it's a matter of the most economical/commercially viable method that wins. Right now, that's battery tech. I like the idea of a fuel cell vehicle if it could use fuels compatible with current infrastructure but right now it seems like electric charging stations are ramping up to meet the demands of EVs and with super fast charging on the horizon, it could mean that fuel cell-tech might never have a real chance.
 
#23 ·
goce said:
Had a closer look at one today and I agree, it is not really SUV. Ground clearance? Can that thing even go off-road?
Don't get me wrong. It is nice car, but I don't' think it is fair to compare it with XC90 and even less with Range Rover. Mentioning RR because of the price range. And when we are talking about $$, for that kind of coin you get that interior?!?! :eek:

I have been thinking a lot lately about the future of electric cars and I'm not convinced that battery based cars is the way. I'm thinking, yes to electric motors, but there needs to be innovation on how you generate the electricity on demand. Sitting on that much current? Not sure if that is good for your DNA..

Put it this way. Electric cars have been subsidised for years. If the technology doesn't make them cost effective soon, to me it signals that it is the wrong way to go. This reminds me of the car industry in Australia wasting tex payers money for years.

There are better ways to save the environment, right? Just eat less steak!
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I think the momentum for electric vehicles is pretty much unstoppable now, and they will almost without doubt be battery rather than fuel cell or other onboard generation. Even if it's not from a purely practical and logistical standpoint the "right" way to go, there is a confluence of legislation and commercial activity towards the battery car future that means the choice of BEVs will explode in the next five years. Similarly, battery cost has fallen by 80% in six years and is forecast to fall by two thirds again by 2030. Musk is talking about this happening by 2020.
 
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Like others, I was surprised at how small the Model X actually is. I think it's a great comparable vehicle for an XC60 but not so much for an XC90.

I'm still waiting for less-expensive, and larger, electric cars, and racking up miles on my reliable 5-cylinder Volvos until then.
 
#27 ·
''Musk is talking about this happening by 2020.''
Musk is talking a lot. but...facts

Tesla losses soar to $889m - but shares jump as Elon Musk forecasts a profit
Electric car company's losses approach $1bn but Elon Musk's electric dream remains undimmed.

and comments:

Professor David Bailey, a car industry expert at Aston University, added: "The big, big question for Tesla is whether it can make a success of the Model 3. It's the car that will make or break the company and Tesla has a poor record in delivering on time."
He said the economics of the Model 3 - expected to cost about $35,000, about a third cheaper than the Model S - will also be crucial to Tesla's survival.
"The economics of making electric cars such as the Model S in the luxury segment might stack up in the long term but they have to be made to work for the Model 3," Mr Bailey said.
"Tesla also has to make them work quickly - it has a big headstart but the giants of the car industry are catching up and if Mr Musk's money runs out, then Tesla could be another car company consigned to history."

TESLA is the dream of a successful billionaire who happens to be also a marketing genius, but make no mistake Musk IS NOT Steve Jobs.
the biggest joke of all times is that TESLA stock is now above GM or FORD!if people like to put good money into bad money just because MUSK keep telling ''no worries it will work'' good for them. but as far as I'm concerned I will start looking at TESLA when I will have facts and visibility.
 
#28 ·
The ovarian logo and the Tesla cars themselves are nonsense and look out of date despite trying to be cutting edge. Their high price tag and aura of exclusivity are the only things they have going for them otherwise they would be laughed at if they had a GM or KIA badged priced much lower.

The Model-S looks like what a Mercury Cougar would look like today if weren't discontinued:
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The Model-X looks like the Honda CrossTour with novelty doors:
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The designs of the Tesla products do not surprise me since the designer was the lead designer over at GM/Pontiac and was manning the ship when the glorious Aztek debuted and failed. I believe what makes people flock to the Tesla products are the tech and high price tag and the guise of being "green". Outside of that any other brand pushing these vehicles would have been lambasted and dragged through the coals.

In case any one is really cross-shopping the two... A picture is worth a thousand words:

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#30 ·
IC0N0CLAST said:
The ovarian logo and the Tesla cars themselves are nonsense and look out of date despite trying to be cutting edge. Their high price tag and aura of exclusivity are the only things they have going for them otherwise they would be laughed at if they had a GM or KIA badged priced much lower.

The Model-S looks like what a Mercury Cougar would look like today if weren't discontinued:
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The Model-X looks like the Honda CrossTour with novelty doors:
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The designs of the Tesla products do not surprise me since the designer was the lead designer over at GM/Pontiac and was manning the ship when the glorious Aztek debuted and failed. I believe what makes people flock to the Tesla products are the tech and high price tag and the guise of being "green". Outside of that any other brand pushing these vehicles would have been lambasted and dragged through the coals.

In case any one is really cross-shopping the two... A picture is worth a thousand words:

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Tesla poached the Volvo guy who designed the XC90 interior. I would expect the S will get an interior refresh and end up a lot more like Volvo.
 
#31 ·
Loved the exterior shape of the S. X on the other hand can't grow on me, its like a Pontiac Aztec.

IC0N0CLAST, You say "high price tag and aura of exclusivity are the only things they have going for them". Unless you actually owned any of them before I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.
 
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#34 ·
sebynum said:
Do you even consider the Model X an SUV? Technically yes however actually it's basically a Model S with a tall greenhouse.

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Do you even consider the XC90 an SUV? Technically these are all crossovers. Why? No 'body-on-frame' construction.

One of my pet peeves is when people call the XC90 a 'truck.' It is not. It is a large car.

Trucks and SUVS:
- Body on frame
- Rear wheel drive
- Very heavy
- Tow 10k lbs or more
 
#35 ·
mot_xc90 said:
Tesla poached the Volvo guy who designed the XC90 interior. I would expect the S will get an interior refresh and end up a lot more like Volvo.
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Perhaps it will not look like a prop from RoboCop or Total Recall.

PhatboyC said:
Unless you actually owned any of them before I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.
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I had the opportunity to play with a Tesla Model-S for sometime at Tesla in the Hamptons about two years ago with the Tesla Reps.
I did not purchase it because I did not like it. Looking back I am glad I didn't because there were several issues going around without immediate fixes.
Do you own one?

stick_shift said:
One of my pet peeves is when people call the XC90 a 'truck.' It is not. It is a large car.
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Same here. I find it annoying as well. Especially when something even smaller like an X3 or Q5. Most of these vehicles people refer to as "trucks" are nothing more than their sedan counterparts on stilts.
 
#38 ·
inteller said:
Thank you for using Johnny Cab!
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hahaha... exactly.

ulstrup said:
And VOLVO hired the BENTLEY chief interior designer....do you think the VOLVO will look like a bentley inside?
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When Peter Schreyer went to KIA he wasn't going to make Audi interiors in them but you can see in the newer Kia products that they have similar lines and styling but the interior materials are much lower quality. I have to imagine the same would happen with the designer coming from Bentley. It is probably the main reason he was poached. Bring the general idea and design of a high-end luxury automobile but work within the parameters Volvo gives him. In the end you may get something like a watered down version of a Flying Spur interior in a Volvo but with lower grade material to make it fit the price point and keep margins wide. Either way the Tesla interiors need a revamp immediately. Despite using the same supplier for interior materials that MB uses the interior looks like it's trying to be futuristic and the overall feel doesn't seem like an interior of a vehicle that is in this price range. I can't wait to get some seat time in their entry level model. Very curious to see how it looks feels and handles.
 
#39 ·
IC0N0CLAST said:
hahaha... exactly.

When Peter Schreyer went to KIA he wasn't going to make Audi interiors in them but you can see in the newer Kia products that they have similar lines and styling but the interior materials are much lower quality. I have to imagine the same would happen with the designer coming from Bentley. It is probably the main reason he was poached. Bring the general idea and design of a high-end luxury automobile but work within the parameters Volvo gives him. In the end you may get something like a watered down version of a Flying Spur interior in a Volvo but with lower grade material to make it fit the price point and keep margins wide. Either way the Tesla interiors need a revamp immediately. Despite using the same supplier for interior materials that MB uses the interior looks like it's trying to be futuristic and the overall feel doesn't seem like an interior of a vehicle that is in this price range. I can't wait to get some seat time in their entry level model. Very curious to see how it looks feels and handles.
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yeck, not looking forward to pillowed leather everywhere.
 
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