Drive Modes / Auto Stop Start Poor Implementation

citivas · Feb 18, 2016

Gc52 said:
Thats the weird thing, it is actually in the Individual mode.

What I meant was -- and ) wasn't very clear -- they won't let you default to the Individual Drive Mode or any other mode with car resets between uses. They seem to need the Comfort mode to meet their regulatory obligations.

Gc52 · Feb 18, 2016

Right that makes sense. Since it is in individual drive mode, and preselecting a drive mode seems a pretty huge component of driver profiles, were in a bit of a tricky situation if emissions standards indeed mandate starting up in comfort mode.

citivas · Feb 18, 2016

Why the heck did my message get repeated multiple times over a period of time? Only wrote and hit send once, hours ago...

reeg2 · Feb 18, 2016

citivas said:
Why the heck did my message get repeated multiple times over a period of time? Only wrote and hit send once, hours ago...

I'm seeing the same issue - clicking post once seems to be firing off duplicates.

citivas · Feb 18, 2016

Laird_Williams said:
I really doubt that regulatory compliance has much to do with it. It has been hypothesized here, but we've seen nothing from any other source outside of end-users throwing out ideas to corroborate. But when you have no driver profiles (we are all effectively using the "guest" profile as described in the manual, and the guest profile is non-editable) there is no way to save, well, just about anything related to preferences. If you read through the manual sections on driver profiles, it is pretty clear that the intention is to make many of these settings available on a per-keyfob basis - but only when driver profiles are available.

I have no idea if it was regulatory related beyond what I have read here. I do know that the Volvo-rep here was pretty clear in a previous discussion on this not to expect it to be selectable as a default mode and even questioned someone who said it was possible on another car -- expressing skepticism that any manufacturer would be able to make it non-default. He consciously avoided directly addressing why Volvo had decided not to allow this. But there was no suggestion it was just related to the missing Driver's Profile feature.

BTW, it's easy enough for anyone to look at the original Owner's Manual which described all the features possible with Drivers Profile. I don't recall seeing anything that allowed you to change the default driving mode, but it's been 9 months since I last read it so I may be remembering incorrectly.

citivas · Feb 18, 2016

Laird_Williams said:
I really doubt that regulatory compliance has much to do with it. It has been hypothesized here, but we've seen nothing from any other source outside of end-users throwing out ideas to corroborate. But when you have no driver profiles (we are all effectively using the "guest" profile as described in the manual, and the guest profile is non-editable) there is no way to save, well, just about anything related to preferences. If you read through the manual sections on driver profiles, it is pretty clear that the intention is to make many of these settings available on a per-keyfob basis - but only when driver profiles are available.

I have no idea if it was regulatory related beyond what I have read here. I do know that the Volvo-rep here was pretty clear in a previous discussion on this not to expect it to be selectable as a default mode and even questioned someone who said it was possible on another car -- expressing skepticism that any manufacturer would be able to make it non-default. He consciously avoided directly addressing why Volvo had decided not to allow this. But there was no suggestion it was just related to the missing Driver's Profile feature.

BTW, it's easy enough for anyone to look at the original Owner's Manual which described all the features possible with Drivers Profile. I don't recall seeing anything that allowed you to change the default driving mode, but it's been 9 months since I last read it so I may be remembering incorrectly.

Laird_Williams · Feb 18, 2016

Where - other than intelligently-imagined-but-completely-unsubstatiated-otherwise posts on newsgroups by end-users do we have any indication that the inability to save the setting has anything to do with regulation?

citivas · Feb 18, 2016

This site is really acting up -- keeping posting duplicates of my post today...

Paradox · Feb 18, 2016

It can happen on any forum site from time to time in my experience.

citivas · Feb 18, 2016

Laird_Williams said:
Where - other than intelligently-imagined-but-completely-unsubstatiated-otherwise posts on newsgroups by end-users do we have any indication that the inability to save the setting has anything to do with regulation?

Are you asking someone else since I already specifically said I have only read it here and have no idea if it's true. It's not my suggestion. I was clear the first time, then reiterated that I was only referencing the leading theory here in other posts and in no way endorsed it. But, again, a Volvo rep here has previously indicated not to expect it to be a user-selectable default. They studiously avoided stating why even when asked. If your really curious, you should search the forum. This has been a headed discussion in at least half a dozen topics going back to last June at least.

citivas · Feb 18, 2016

Laird_Williams said:
Where - other than intelligently-imagined-but-completely-unsubstatiated-otherwise posts on newsgroups by end-users do we have any indication that the inability to save the setting has anything to do with regulation?

Are you asking someone else since I already specifically said I have only read it here and have no idea if it's true. It's not my suggestion. I was clear the first time, then reiterated that I was only referencing the leading theory here in other posts and in no way endorsed it. But, again, a Volvo rep here has previously indicated not to expect it to be a user-selectable default. They studiously avoided stating why even when asked. If your really curious, you should search the forum. This has been a headed discussion in at least half a dozen topics going back to last June at least.

whoami · Feb 18, 2016

Laird_Williams said:
Where - other than intelligently-imagined-but-completely-unsubstatiated-otherwise posts on newsgroups by end-users do we have any indication that the inability to save the setting has anything to do with regulation?

If you consider a moderator from Volvo Cars an authority on this (I don't), then see http://support.volvocars.com/forum/topic206-startstop-function.aspx#post578.

Laird_Williams · Feb 18, 2016

So I did a little digging and found an older copy of the manual, since the latest (v3) copy has basically no mention of driver profiles in it at all.

Many of the settings made in the vehicle will automatically be saved in the selected driver profile until it is modified. These settings include:

Changing driver profiles from the center display's Top view
• Power door mirrors
• The HUD (head-up display) position
• Climate system
• Locks
• Seats
• Voice commands and language
• Lights
A number of other settings can also be personalized.
Global settings can be changed but not stored in a driver profile.

There is no mention of any of the drive modes, which is indeed disappointing. The only hope is in the last two lines. What are the "other" settings mentioned and what settings constitute "global" settings?

Paradox · Feb 18, 2016

This post is from the Volvo support forum:

Hi dsspb,
To get the best MPG label value the car is certified with the Start/Stop function activated.
The US authorities does not admit that the car can be started without this being on as default.
That's why it can't be programmed in off mode.

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Arne Larsson
Moderator Volvo Cars.
Arne Larsson
Arne Larsson
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Posts: 47

12/9/2015

Paradox · Feb 18, 2016

Urgh, double post like others have been getting.

Paradox · Feb 18, 2016

And here is another concerning start stop:

The function stop/start on will always be a better alt. for the consumption of your driving.
Our cars are certified with the Stop/Start function active why it is not possible to make the car "remember" that you put it in OFF or Sport mode.
We understand the inconvenience and are trying to find a good and acceptable solution from both ends.
Thank you for your feed back.

--
Annelie G
Topic Expert - Volvo Cars.

Laird_Williams · Feb 18, 2016

whoami said:
If you consider a moderator from Volvo Cars an authority on this (I don't), then see http://support.volvocars.com/forum/topic206-startstop-function.aspx#post578.

The most recent 3 posts do indeed appear to add up to exactly that - no drive mode or start/stop settings in the profiles.

bizzy045 · Feb 18, 2016

whoami said:
If you consider a moderator from Volvo Cars an authority on this (I don't), then see http://support.volvocars.com/forum/topic206-startstop-function.aspx#post578.

Why doesn't Audi have to follow this regulation? Doesn't add up for me.

Paradox · Feb 18, 2016

Do they have their cars certified with it off? Not sure, just thinking out loud.

bizzy045 · Feb 18, 2016

We have an Audi that remembers the status of start/stop. Not sure what certified means. Why would Volvo care to be certified if Audi doesn't and what does this certification actually even mean.

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