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Mr. Kotter

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Are You Running Synthetic or Non-Synthetic Oil in Your XC-90?

Let us know whether you a running synthetic or non-synthetic oil.

Fellow Users- I was hoping to see what the use patterns were for oil choice in the XC-90 in terms of synthetic vs. non-synthetic. I left the poll options open, which I now consider a bad move, and increased the opportunity for confusion. My apologies.

Modified by Mr. Kotter at 12:39 AM 5-16-2004
 
I decided to switch from dino to synthetic at about 25,000 and I will probably stay with synthetic from now on. Although the oil costs more, extending my change interval from every 3,000 miles with dino to every 5,000 miles with synthetic will probably save me money on the oil changes alone.
 
Re: What Type of Oil Do You Use? (Mr. Kotter)

Quote, originally posted by Mr. Kotter »
A show of hands for types of oil in your XC-90s....

Why are "synthetic" and Mobil 1 0W-40 two different choices? Mobil 1 is synthetic...

Yannis
 
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Re: What Type of Oil Do You Use? (GrecianVolvo)

Someone mistakenly added the Mobile-1 Choice. I left the poll open though I would prefer it to now be limited to synthetic or non-synthetic to avoid further confusion from respondents...

Could a moderator please lock the poll or remove the poll all together and we'll try again?
 
Re: What Type of Oil Do You Use? (Mr. Kotter)

Quote, originally posted by Mr. Kotter »
Someone mistakenly added the Mobile-1 Choice.

Yes and now someone added Redline, another synthetic...

Yannis
 
Re: What Type of Oil Do You Use? (GrecianVolvo)

Quote, originally posted by GrecianVolvo »


Why are "synthetic" and Mobil 1 0W-40 two different choices? Mobil 1 is synthetic...

Yannis

It's a lot more specific!
 
Re: Are You Running Synthetic or Non-Synthetic Oil in Your XC-90? (Mr. Kotter)

Switched to Mobile 1 at 7500 miles.
 
Re: (kowalcs)

Since Mobil-1 comes in many flavors, which one are you guys using. I use the 15W50 in my collection of high milage Porsches, but this is probably too heavy for a new Volvo, even though the stuff will flow down to minus 50 degrees.

Mr. P
 
Re: (Mr. P)

Quote, originally posted by Mr. P »
Since Mobil-1 comes in many flavors, which one are you guys using. I use the 15W50 in my collection of high milage Porsches, but this is probably too heavy for a new Volvo, even though the stuff will flow down to minus 50 degrees.

Mr. P

15W-50 is not efficient at all. Stick with 10W-30 (for your climate and no power upgrades) and you will be just fine.

Yannis
 
Re: (GrecianVolvo)

Hey Grecian,

First of all, how the heck did you get 10,000 posts!!!

Secondly, I tend to agree on your comments about the 15W50, but I'm interested in any additional info you can provide. Since the 15W50 flows down to temperatures 30-degrees colder than we've ever recorded in Tennessee (we did hit the minus 20 mark about 25 years ago) I don't think the cold flow is the issue. Perhaps the 50 weight part of the formula is too thick. Since 15W50 flows down to colder temperatures than some 5-weight oil, I am puzzled about the "thickness" of a oil that flows that cold. It would appear it has one heck of a film strength, and that might just be too much to push through an oil pump all the time.

Sorry for the rambling, just interested in any more info you have regarding the synthetics. I'm using this oil in the older Porsche cars now, see my post noted below recently received from Amsoil. Now perhaps you can see why I'm wanting to know the best oil for this beautiful new turbo we just bought. Regards, Mr. P

here is my original post to AMSOIL below:

I have three older water cooled Porsche's, presently running Amsoil products, but I want to be sure I'm using the proper (or best) product:

1983 928S 5-speed freshly rebuilt transaxle, 120,000 miles

1984 944 5-speed transaxle, 165,000 miles

1990 944 S2 5-speed transaxle, 88,000 miles

All three cars share the aluminum piston bore, with high silicon content, and all are running in good condition. I am using Series 2000 20W50 in the 928 V8, and will soon go to the Series 2000 75W90 gear lube. The Series 2000 75W90 gear lube made a huge difference in the worn transaxle on the '84 944 with 165,000 miles, it now shifts into second gear much better, and it is more quiet.

QUESTIONS:

1. Is the 20W50 "too thick" for the cars? I like the cold flow of the selection, but I notice your recommendations don't include this oil.

2. With a freshly rebuilt 928 transaxle, would it be better to use the Series 2000 75W90 gear lube, or the Series 2000 75W140 gear lube?

3. With the high milage 944, what is the best oil recommendation, and should I go "up" to the 75W140 gear lube in that transaxle. This particular gets a puff of smoke upon startup if it sits for a week or two, I suspect I'm getting some seepage at valve stems, which is of little concern to me. The transaxle was giving a little noise, some whine, a small "rattle" and difficult shifting when cold to second gear; the Series 2000 75W90 generally fixed this, but I am wondering if I should go to the 75W140. What is the motor oil recommendation for this situation too.

Since the 1990 S2 has relatively low milage, I'm interested in your comments for this car too. It runs and drives "like new" and I want to keep it that way.

Sincerely, and regards, P

From: Mail TechService [mailto:tech@amsoil.com]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:01 PM
To: P
Subject: RE: Technical Service Contact Form

To: P

From: AMSOIL Technical Services

Thanks for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns.

In response to your inquiry, the Porsche engines are actually very flexible as to viscosity. I think the 20W50 viscosity is excellent for these engines - especially the older ones. It'd best to stay with the 90 grade gear lube though unless we're dealing with a high wear situation.

Thank you again for the opportunity to respond to your concerns. As always, please feel free to contact us again if we can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
AMSOIL Technical Services
 
Re: (Mr. P)

Quote, originally posted by Mr. P »
Hey Grecian,

First of all, how the heck did you get 10,000 posts!!!

I have "only" been a member here for...951 days.
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Quote »
Secondly, I tend to agree on your comments about the 15W50, but I'm interested in any additional info you can provide. Since the 15W50 flows down to temperatures 30-degrees colder than we've ever recorded in Tennessee (we did hit the minus 20 mark about 25 years ago) I don't think the cold flow is the issue. Perhaps the 50 weight part of the formula is too thick.

Yes, that is what makes that oil not as efficient.

Quote »
Since 15W50 flows down to colder temperatures than some 5-weight oil, I am puzzled about the "thickness" of a oil that flows that cold. It would appear it has one heck of a film strength, and that might just be too much to push through an oil pump all the time.

That may be the case but, in Europe (where they are masters of synthetic oil use), they recommend 15W-50 and 20W-50 oils for racing engines or for engines that have serious upgrades.

A good synthetic that is 10W-30 or even 10W-40, will serve you just right. If you upgrade your engine, you could move to a 15W-50 or so.

Yannis
 
Re: (GrecianVolvo)

Quote »
That may be the case but, in Europe (where they are masters of synthetic oil use), they recommend 15W-50 and 20W-50 oils for racing engines or for engines that have serious upgrades.

A good synthetic that is 10W-30 or even 10W-40, will serve you just right.
Yannis

I agree with Yannis on the viscosity issue. Going thicker is not likely to help, and can even hurt your engine and performance. It is also important that people understand that high viscosity does not mean better protection.

Many racing engines, like formula 1, may use straight 0W oils. How is that possible?? The film strength is very high and the tolerences are VERY low. A thick oil will not pump through the oil passages as well as a thinner oil. Most newer engines uses VERY thin oils compared to yesteryear. An air cooled Porsche 911, with its 15 quart oil capacity, is very different than a Honda 1.5 civic, etc, etc.

Turbo engines have unique issues to deal with. There are no ball bearings in our turbos, simply a well-machined metal sleeve supporting the spinning shaft of the turbo at 100,000 rpms. The shaft is riding on ONLY A FILM OF OIL!! I want to make sure the oil gets there!!
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AS far as rated weights, the one absoult fact is that the small the "space between the top and bottom numbers" the more stable the oil.

Modern oils use expanding polymers to "stretch" the range of the oil. A 0w-40 has a 40 point expansion, and is a 0W base stock. I use this in my Audi for cooler months and then 5w-40 for the rest of the year.

Does it matter?? Probably not, but it could if the oil starts to breakdown and I leave it in too long.

Our XC90's have 5w-30 and 10w-30 oils recommneded. No difference at all in warm viscosity?? But the 10w will more stable for longer periods due to its tighter range, but I would always suggest synthetics for turbos due to the temperatures our engines are capable of reaching..
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Sorry for the long response...

Todd
 
Oil recommendations

Hi guys, and many thanks for the comments.

A couple of thoughts: The Mobil-1 15W50 synthetic is not as fuelish as you might think. It's got very high film strength, and it flows far far better than Castrol 20W50 ever thought of, as a matter of fact, it flows better than some 5-weight oils (I'm looking at the charts now). Therefore, I share your concern for getting the oil to the turbo bearings quickly, but also have a concern that the oil have enough film strength once it gets there, to do the job.

I also point out, racing engines are tuned and built to outperform the competition and win. This means they are intended to stay together slightly longer than the length of the race. Oil performs a different function in a race car, but I do understand the corollary.

To be sure, I sent a memo to the AMSOIL tech department to see what they recommend, and I copy the memo and response below, for whatever it's worth:

Sincerely,
Mr. P

________________________________________
From: Mail TechService [mailto:tech@amsoil.com]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:31 AM
To: Mr. P
Subject: RE: Technical Service Contact Form

To: Mr. P

From: AMSOIL Technical Services

Thanks for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns.

In response to your inquiry, our top pick for this application is our AMSOIL Synthetic 10W30 Turbo Formulated Motor Oil (ATM).

Thank you again for the opportunity to respond to your concerns. As always, please feel free to contact us again if we can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
Jim Van
AMSOIL Technical Services

Every attempt has been made to ensure the information provided in this e-mail correspondence is accurate and reliable. However, AMSOIL INC. makes no warranty, guaranty or promise (express or implied) concerning the content or accuracy of our e-mail response, as it is based solely upon the information provided to us by the e-mail sender.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailconfirm@amsoil.com [mailto:mailconfirm@amsoil.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:47 PM
To: Mail TechService
Subject: Technical Service Contact Form

Email:
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 17:47:23
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Name: Mr. P
Zip: 37205
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Comments: Hello.

I recently inquired about some older model Porsches and got a nice response, so thank you kindly.

I just bought a new Volvo XC90, with their turbocharged 5- cylinder motor. I plan to break-in the car according to the dealer recommendations, and then switch to Amsoil and go on the oil analysis program, as we intend to keep this one for a long time.

I am interested in the best oil recommendation for a turbocharged car of this type. It has 208-hp, and we may elect to have the ECU reprogrammed for some additional power (up to 245, with boost changed from 8 to 14-psi) in the event it is needed for occasional passing and safety reasons, not for hot rodding.

Sincerely, Mr. P
I am a customer: checkbox
 
Re: Oil recommendations (Mr. P)

Quote, originally posted by Mr. P »
Hi guys, and many thanks for the comments.
To be sure, I sent a memo to the AMSOIL tech department to see what they recommend, and I copy the memo and response below, for whatever it's worth:

I don't know why - but Amsoil, IMO markets their product sorta like snake oil.

I trust Castrol or Mobil more than the multi-level-marketing scheme of Amsoil.

MB, Porsche, etc all use 0W - 40 as factory fill. So does NASCAR.

With all that said, we are all pretty much 'over the top' in taking care of our cars lubrication. All these lurbricants will give excellent service (IMO).
 
Re: Oil recommendations (doug b)

Quote, originally posted by doug b »


I don't know why - but Amsoil, IMO markets their product sorta like snake oil.

I trust Castrol or Mobil more than the multi-level-marketing scheme of Amsoil.


I agree with Amsoil's poor marketing, too many choices and cryptic claims. That does not in any way imply their oil is not top-notch.

This is a typical debate had on many auto sites and is always interesting. The simply reality is that the biggest issue, with ALL oils, is to change them at appropriate intervals. Even the best synthetics break down over time.

Mobil 1 is a fine product and Amsoil and Redline may be better, but lets be honest...WILL ANY of US EVER NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE!
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I am sure at ~200,000 miles the Mobil 1 wear will look like the Amsoil wear at ~220,000 miles
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It is unlikely that the benefits between quality syntetics is noticeable for normal use.

I have nearly 80,000 miles on my A4 with a tweaked 1.8 litre 4 cylinder making 240hp on greater than 20lbs of boost. The turbo is OFTEN glowing RED HOT!! I have used use Mobil-1 for the last 50,000 miles and so far so good.

Todd
 
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