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I had opportunity to spend time with respected friend who works with a major insurance company this evening. I was sharing with him that I was considering trading my G35 for either an S80, M35 or TL. I asked him about the safety of the Acura/Honda product and he paused and said "let me show you something and you can decide for yourself".

He pulled up photos of two cars, both of which had left the road going backwards and struck a rock embankment, both at similar speeds. One was an Accord. This car had been sheared in half just behind the front seats. The interesting thing was that the car had come apart at the seam welds. It was noticeable that the welds were farther apart than you would expect them to be. (It was like deja-vu all over again; in my days as a reserve deputy, I worked two wrecks where Civics were torn completely in half, the same way).

The other car was an S80. Essentially the passenger compartment of the S80 was intact with none of the shearing or breaking of welds noticed in the other car. Rescue workers had for some reason cut through the A-Pillar and B-Pillar of the S80. It was amazing to see in cross-section how thick the metal was in these areas, compared to the sheared frame and metal on the Accord. The driver and passenger of the S80 walked out of the hospital after being checked out.

While many cars these days will have five-star safety ratings, these ratings do not necessarily translate to the myriad of ways cars can be crashed. In the same way that car makers can engineer to meet specific gas mileage standards, they can engineer to safety standards as well since these are limited to specific circumstances. But if you can, talk to someone involved in actual assessment of crashes, and you get a different perspective. The standards are certainly helpful to a degree, but not an end-all, and don't necessarily give a complete picture.

Volvo safety is real. My friend's wife drives an S60. He drives a Ford pickup, but would tell you if Volvo made a pickup, he'd be in one. When my family is out and about, I feel good that they are in our XC90; that's the best protection I know how to buy for them on the road. Now if I can just find and S80 V8...
 
Unfortunately it takes an accident to convince some people. Last Monday my wife was sitting stopped at a (just turned) red light in her 2010 S80. A driver behind, apparently did not see the light had changed and collided with the S80, at an estimated speed of 45-50 mph. The "other" vehicle was totaled. Our S80 sustained some pretty harsh damage to the rear section. The drivers seatback bent backward (as designed) for whiplash protection. I was at the body shop to take pictures when they drove it in. As the tech walked me around the car he kept saying "wow" when he would look at various parts and pieces. I believe he was even suprised at how the high strenght metal in this car was compressed and deformed. It is going to take a month to a month an a half to fix. But remarkably the tail lights while shattered were still working, the trunk lid (will be replaced) but could be opened and the rear glass remained intact. This, not being our first accident in a Volvo, only confirms what we already know. Safety in vehicles is getting better but safety is not the same from manufacture to manufacture. You will NEVER catch me in anything other than a Volvo for this reason and this reason alone. They are designed with safety in mind and built to save your life.
 
This is a very interesting thread guys. I for one have questioned just how safe Volvo still are in comparison to other marques that continuously earn 5 star safety ratings. I ask myself at times; so is buying a 5 star rated Lexus, Infiniti or BMW just as safe as a Volvo? They must be right? It's threads like this that make me think otherwise. I'm glad to see that Volvo is still tops when it comes to safety. Especially when it comes to the engineering that you don't see with your own eyes or read about in the marketing brochures. They should never lose sight of that as they look to steer the brand in other directions.
 
They should never lose sight of that as they look to steer the brand in other directions.
Believe me, safety will always be at the forefront of our focus as it is a building block of our foundation. There is a lot of research and technology that goes into making each Volvo as safe as it is; a commitment of resources that is void of any shortcuts and/or compromises.
 
Both our old 08 V70 and new XC70 feel like rolling bank vaults. By far the most solidly built cars I've ever driven. My 2010 9-5 is good but still not quite built like a Volvo.
 
Believe me, safety will always be at the forefront of our focus as it is a building block of our foundation. There is a lot of research and technology that goes into making each Volvo as safe as it is; a commitment of resources that is void of any shortcuts and/or compromises.
That's great to hear. It's nice to see this type of commitment from a car manufacturer nowadays where ROIs and bottom lines dictate every decision. It's a philosophy like this that will lead me to pick up my 2nd new Volvo very shortly.
 
The Mrs just t boned a car that ran a red, the car an Acura MDX. Damage to the Volvo....DS cracked headlight assembly and a crease in the hood....the MDX... both ds doors would not open ...broken glass from ds front ps rear glass and rear bumper cover thrown 20 feet across the highway!!! His car looked like he hit a telephone pole!!! Thankfully no one injured and no air bag deployments. evidently they both were going less than 25 mph. My wife said she did not realize what had occurred! Police report indicated the MDX ran a red. There were no skid marks...only the MDX where it was spun round 2x!!! Our car will go to the body shop after Christmas maybe New Year, MDX on a flatbed!!! JHW
 
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I had occasion to change a brake light on my XC90 tonight. Quite a bit more involved than I thought it would be. Usually on most cars you remove an inner panel and the light sockets are accessed on the back of the tail light assembly. On the XC90 you have to remove the straps from the grocery partition, fold that panel p, remove a corner panel, remove a trim panel and then find two hexagonal shafts that are actually nuts holding the tail light studs that mount the tail light. You then remove the entire tail light assembly, and find the socket and replace the bulb using the quarter-turn connector.

While I was going through this (really no big deal if you've done it before, and I just followed the instructions in the owner's manual) I was thinking "why in the world would they do this instead of making it simpler like other manufacturers do?". Then it dawned on me...the Volvo engineers refused to compromise the steel structure in this key area of the vehicle by putting a gaping hole large enough for a tail light. Instead they engineered a way to remove the light and keep the area intact structurally. The more I deal with this car the more impressed I am with the structural engineering that goes into a Volvo - things most of us never see - so that you and your family are safer.

All engineering is a compromise or balancing act of competing goals and variables. Kudo's to Volvo for choosing the route that least compromises safety.
 
I had occasion to change a brake light on my XC90 tonight. Quite a bit more involved than I thought it would be. Usually on most cars you remove an inner panel and the light sockets are accessed on the back of the tail light assembly. On the XC90 you have to remove the straps from the grocery partition, fold that panel p, remove a corner panel, remove a trim panel and then find two hexagonal shafts that are actually nuts holding the tail light studs that mount the tail light. You then remove the entire tail light assembly, and find the socket and replace the bulb using the quarter-turn connector.

While I was going through this (really no big deal if you've done it before, and I just followed the instructions in the owner's manual) I was thinking "why in the world would they do this instead of making it simpler like other manufacturers do?". Then it dawned on me...the Volvo engineers refused to compromise the steel structure in this key area of the vehicle by putting a gaping hole large enough for a tail light. Instead they engineered a way to remove the light and keep the area intact structurally. The more I deal with this car the more impressed I am with the structural engineering that goes into a Volvo - things most of us never see - so that you and your family are safer.

All engineering is a compromise or balancing act of competing goals and variables. Kudo's to Volvo for choosing the route that least compromises safety.
Are you positive it was for safety, and not for ease of assembly? Does it cost less to print a page in the owners manual instead of punching a hole in sheet metal? Did Volvo rivet the bumper instead of screwing it to the body for safety too, or because it is easier to pop a rivet than use a nut and bolt?
 
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Given the placement of the fasteners and where they are located I think I can safely say that ease of assembly was not a relatively high priority. Properly engineered, rivets can be as strong or stronger than other choices; especially where materials are dissimilar when welding might not be possible or be too expensive, or for assembly operations where one-time fastening is required as opposed to use of bolts. Need for compressional strength rather than shear strength may also have been a consideration. Of course, I cannot speak to the priorities of the Volvo engineers first-hand; I can only deduce what they may have been by the fruit of their work.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your healthy skepticism, a trait I share as well. In fact I can border on cynicism. But I have seen hundreds crashes over 18 years of law enforcement experience, and have enjoyed many hours of conversation with my friend in the insurance business about the specific structural differences in vehicles. Seeing how those engineering choices and priorities actually played out in real world experience, we can both say without reservation that Volvo is top-tier in safety. Proof's in the pudding.

My main skepticism in the matter is whether vehicles engineered under the new corporate ownership will retain the priority on safety that has been the key differentiator for Volvo.
 
My main skepticism in the matter is whether vehicles engineered under the new corporate ownership will retain the priority on safety that has been the key differentiator for Volvo.
Or even build upon this foundation and make the cars even safer...;)
 
It was too easy, and in light of what I am reading about products from the new mother land too much of a possibility.

EDIT: I deleted your misrepresentation of my quote. I am sorry but while we can disagree on how we look at things, I will not allow you (or anyone) to misrepresent what I write by mixing in your own comments with mine while making it look like I wrote them.
Yannis
 
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